Botched

Plastic surgeons Dr. Terry Dubrow and Dr. Paul Nassif treat a woman with a uni-boob, an actress who's had 6 nose procedures and make a house call to Justin, a self-proclaimed human Ken doll.

Supermodel Janice Dickinson wants to replace her 30-year-old breast implants; a man goes under the knife to fix his crooked nose and a potential patient gets an eye-opening consultation.

Transgender star Kimber James wants to fix her damaged breasts, nose and vagina. Dr. Nassif tackles a tragic deviated septum and Internet celeb Renee Talley wants her botched butt fixed!

A woman seeks help after a horrifying surgical experience in Tijuana and a Belieber fan continues his obsession to look exactly like pop star Justin Bieber.

A reality star wants her unsightly boobs and stomach fixed after her former plastic surgeon is allegedly killed by an unhappy patient. Then, Dr. Paul Nassif fixes a woman's pig-ish nose.

The doctors have their hands full with a personal trainer willing to go to the extreme to remove a scar. Meanwhile, a cancer survivor wants her botched reconstructive breasts to look natural.

A woman with uneven breasts seeks help, an anxious patient stays awake for her tummy tuck and mega-boob star Lacey Wildd wants to upgrade her implants to QQQ.

A transgender pop star needs her pixie ears fixed for a music video shoot; Paul puts the finishing touches on a patient who was born with a birth defect.

The doctors reunite to discuss Season 1 with appearances from some of the most outrageous patients.

The doctors reunite to discuss Season 1 with appearances from some of the most outrageous patients.

Reality star Tiffany "New York" Pollard hopes the doctors can fix her botched boobs, Paul reconstructs a severely burned chin, and the doctors meet a woman whose face was pumped with cement.

Former Baywatch babe Nicole Eggert wants smaller breasts. Terry tries to reconstruct a woman with flesh eating disease, and the doctors meet an international flight attendant.

The doctors help a female bodybuilder who wants to look more feminine, Paul performs surgery on a woman with large nostrils, and Katella Dash will do anything to look like a human blow-up doll.

Reality star Dwight Eubanks says farewell to his nose with a funeral, a woman’s boob job has left her with a bubble on her breast, and a performer gives the doctors a show they’ll never forget.

Terry helps rapper Big Caz and his case of "Man Boobs," a former model who got breast implants in her butt, and a man with super-sized lips sees the doctors about his leaking filler.

A celebrity impersonator wants to fix her saggy skin, Paul helps a woman with a potentially unfixable nose, and Daniella Mendez wants an implant for both a male and female option.

The Doctors help a woman whose nose was botched. Tanya hopes to remove a scar that reminds her of her unborn twin. Sarah Burge visits the doctors to find eternal youth.

Dr. Dubrow tries to separate a uniboob. Dr. Nassif fights to fix a former boxer's nose. The Doctors deliver some unexpected news to actress/model Shauna Sand.

The Human Doll Justin Jedlica returns to help Dr. Dubrow pump up a "pec-less" body builder, and a former Miss India hopes Dr. Nassif can perfect her pig nose.

Dr. Dubrow takes on the biggest breast case of his career, Dr. Nassif tackles a soldiers botched nose and the doctors meet a man whose life goal is to look like a super hero.

A former actress fought a disease that left her with no breasts, Dr. Dubrow helps a woman who has a butt on her belly and Dr. Nassif helps a man who has a thumb print on his nose.

Farrah Abraham visits the doctors about her lips, a friend seeks help for his botched stomach and Jessa hopes the doctors can help erase the reminders left from a fatal car accident.

Paul follows a hunch and orders more tests for a woman with a severely botched nose and discovers shocking news. The doctors get two "botched bunnies" back in centerfold shape.

After saving Luci's life, Paul is given the go-ahead to fix her nose. Terry repairs a DJ's oversized chest and the doctors help a woman find a solution for her terrible Tijuana procedures.

Dr. Nassif fixes the nose of a woman who had her dentist perform her rhinoplasty, and the doctors meet a mother who had plastic surgery to look exactly like her daughter.

Dr. Nassif performs a rhinoplasty on a woman who had her first nose job at 12 years old, and Dr. Dubrow works on a patient who wants to retire her Baywatch Boobs.

Terry makes a breast cancer survivor feel whole again. Paul operates on two sisters' twin beaks, affirming that he is the true Wizard of Schnoz. Terry’s wife, Heather, pays him a visit.

Lacey Wildd is back with a problem bigger than her boobs. Transgender showgirl, Cassandra Cass, seeks the Doctors help to become her favorite cartoon character.

Dr. Dubrow operates on a transgender woman's uni-boob, Dr. Nassif fixes a 24-year-old crater on a woman's nose and the Doctors meet Blondie who aspires to be a plastic doll.

Dr. Dubrow performs full body work on a pair of co-dependent sisters. Dr. Nassif operates on a large man with an even larger nose and the doctors meet extreme waist trainer, Penny Brown.

Rajee is back and the doctors try to fix her cement-filled face. Terry performs surgery on a woman whose nipples are too high, and an "out-of-this world" patient wants to look like an alien.

Dr. Dubrow helps a mother who looks like she's been pregnant for 12 years, and Dr. Nassif takes on a woman who hasn't been able to close her mouth since college.

Paul helps singer Norwood Young find his voice again. Terry helps a young mother whose surgeon put in two different sized implants. The doctors assist a woman with stretched out earlobes.

Paul helps a performer who isn't comfortable walking the streets without makeup, a woman with "sideshow boobs" tries to help her marriage, and the doctors extract body modification implants.

Terry operates on a cancer survivor whose gynecologist did her tummy tuck, Paul performs a rhinoplasty on a woman who’s been teased since childhood, and a human doll seeks the doctors' help.

After nearly dying, an ex-playboy model wants a second chance. Terry helps a nurse with one big boob, and reality star Angelique "Frenchy" Morgan wants to be even more plastic fantastic.

A fitness enthusiast and nasal spray addict wants Paul to fix her nose, a woman with deflated boobs comes to Terry for help, and the doctors meet the world's most identical twins.

Dr. Nassif helps a man who just wants his ears back, Dr. Dubrow hopes to fix a botched butt implant, and the doctors meet with a woman who has had 17 surgeries to look like the perfect pixie.

A transgender woman seeks Dr. Nassif's help to fix her collapsed nose, Dr. Dubrow tackles a botched double mastectomy, and a young woman travels from the UK to look faker than fake.

Dr. Nassif helps a mother out of a snotty situation, Dr. Dubrow transforms a woman who was pressured to get extremely large implants, and a man wants the King of Pop's infamous nose.

Dr. Nassif helps a woman with blowfish lips, Dr. Dubrow takes on a difficult case of crab claw breasts, and a male model travels all the way from Prague in pursuit of perfection.

Dr. Nassif transforms a woman’s nose, Dr. Dubrow helps a patient get her groove back by fixing her man-boobs, and a woman comes from across the pond for help with her J-sized breasts.

Dr. Nassif helps a patient get the nose she wants in time for her wedding, Dr. Dubrow attempts to fix a woman’s strip mall boob job, and Mama June from 'Honey Boo Boo' fame needs a fupa lift.

Taking a look at the top ten moments from Botched

A countdown of the top 10 most outrageous celebrities.

A countdown of the top 10 most outrageous Before & Afters.

A countdown of the top 10 most outrageous before and after moments from Botched.

A drag queen seeks Dr. Dubrow's expertise to rejuvenate his old breast implants, Dr. Nassif tackles a severe nose deformity, and the doctors meet a woman who wants to blow up her butt!

A cosplayer wants to make her body more comical. Dr. Dubrow helps a woman with a heart on her butt, while Dr. Nassif operates on a woman who had her nose ruined over 30 years ago.

Dr. Dubrow helps a woman with boobs gone bad get her sexy back and a bodybuilder get back in the gym. The doctors offer advice to a patient on her cheeky trans-formation.

Rodrigo Alves, returns after undergoing three nasal surgeries in less than a year, Terry helps a chef with pain from her breast implants, and a dominatrix undergoes an unusual procedure.

The doctors meet twins with not so identical problems. Dr. Dubrow tries to help the world’s first paraplegic fitness model reach her dream, Dr. Nassif does a rhinoplasty to fix a deformity.

Dr. Nassif helps a man with three eyebrows while Dr. Dubrow operates on a mother who refers to her botched breasts as "saggy baggies" and a woman wants to downsize her massive money makers.

Dr. Dubrow helps a fitness fanatic fix her lady lumps while Dr. Nassif helps a house flipper with her witchy nose, and a house husband with a plus sized pout hopes to supersize it.

A mother of two has no choice but to duct tape up her boobs, a young nurse had her nose ravaged by nasal file, and a D-list celebrity wants to get an A-List nose.

A love-crazy Canadian uses her boobs to get to Paul, while the doctors help a former model fix her nose before her wedding and call for back-up on a revision tummy tuck.

Dr. Dubrow helps a former recluse break out with new breasts, Dr. Nassif fixes a telenovela nose job gone wrong. The doctors meet an Ivanka Trump superfan who has undergone 13 procedures.

Terry and Paul get schooled on bimbofication, while a high-risk patient seeks a seventh breast augmentation and a twin undergoes nose surgery to look like his brother again.

Paul and Terry help former music video vixen Tawny Kitaen get off the boob train, treat a heart-shaped nose that gives love a bad name, and meet a Brazilian doll that wants a bigger butt.

Dr. Dubrow helps a New Jersey Housewife's agitated breasts. Dr. Nassif tackles a car-wrecked twin's twisted nose. A plastic surgery fan with a famous butt needs his nose fixed.

The doctors take on a patient who nearly died after a mommy makeover gone wrong, a man plagued by his flat nose needs it fixed so he can propose, and a Supa Woman shows off her ass-ets.

A star impersonator with a dented chin visits the doctors. A young woman reveals her bad boob job to her mom. A patient with a dented butt seeks the doctors’ help after beating cancer.

Dr. Nassif rescues a cat lady, setting her nose and her priorities straight. Dr. Dubrow helps a young woman who had a double mastectomy, and two popstars trying to make it to center stage.

Rajee and her nodules return to see the doctors, a young woman with mismatched breasts needs a tweak, and a pop star impersonator needs his nose fixed before his world tour.

After a dog tore off half her lip, a 25-year-old seeks the doctors' help. A woman who pumps up her own 4600cc breasts gets some advice. Dr. Dubrow tackles a butt supersized by spina bifida.

Ravaged by a flesh disease, a young woman needs the doctors to save what's left of her breasts. A woman wants her witchy nose gone. A famous drag queen seeks help for some silicone slip ups.

XL-areolas force a large-breasted sugar baby to consult the doctors. A clumsy wife wants her nose fixed to feel deserving of her husband. A pageant winner wants his arm implants corrected.

A man wanting to be an elf would sacrifice his vision to be EXTRA-terrestrial. An accident prone woman hopes her 15th nose job is the charm. A former body-builder needs help with implants.

Martina Big's tan injections have led her to see the doctors again. A transgender man hopes Dr. Dubrow can fix his dented chest. Dr. Nassif is a woman's last hope to cure her panic attacks.

Tiny Tameka Harris and a friend with baseball boobs seek Dr. Dubrow's help. Pixee Fox returns to make herself a cartoon. A model seeks help after having too much fat injected under her eyes.

Dr. Dubrow helps a woman who's trying to fix her breasts. Dr. Nassif has a patient with a hole in her nose. A plus-sized model vying for the world's biggest bum wants larger breast implants.

A reality TV star seeks a breast reduction after her boobs got huge. A woman hopes to enlarge her cross-eyed breasts. Dr. Nassif helps a salon owner with a maimed chin be her business' face.

A small Irish model travels for larger breasts. The doctors help a woman who almost died from a tummy tuck. A father with a busted nose hopes the docs can give him one like his daughter's.

Dr. Nassif's patient tried to treat her skin cancer, resulting in a hole in her nose. Dr. Dubrow tackles a body builder's deflated breast. A drag queen asks help for silicone lip injections.

A young woman's silicone removal surgeries left her with a warped butt. A painter needs her nose fixed to soothe her mother's guilty conscience. A trendy Brit wants more work and less ribs.

Dr. Dubrow helps a cancer survivor rebuild her breasts and abdomen. A psychic wants to remove her implants and go back to au naturel. Both doctors talk to a potential plastic surgery addict.

A woman with side nipple visits the doctors. Another woman's nose was disfigured in a car accident. A former patient returns hoping the doctors can make him look more like his idol.

A frightening surgical mishap in Colombia leaves a woman with franken-tits, and the doctors salvage a man's dog bitten nose, while an Australian woman has a severe case of boob greed.

A young woman seeks help after an implant was removed three times, leaving her with one breast. Dr. Nassif aids a patient that was given a surprise nose job. A UK DJ wants heel implants.

A woman with inflammatory disease needs the doctors' expertise. A patient hopes for dream abs he can't get in the gym. A patient seeks a boob job after a deadly operating room experience.

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Mexican top model Carmen Campuzano visits the doctors in hopes of restoring her nose and career, while a discharged soldier wants to mend her butchered breasts to fit in as a civilian. Plus, a psychologist seeks out Dr. Nassif to fix her…

Dr. Dubrow helps an eating disorder survivor feel beautiful in her own skin by downsizing her breasts; Dr. Nassif sends a dinosaur nose back to the Jurassic era; a cosplayer seeks help for her butt implant.

Danielle Milian visits the doctors to fix her scarred stomach and popped implant; a police officer wants her pig nose gone so she can look like her twin again; a Brit with heart-shaped areolas wants to look like a caricature.

On the road in Montana, the doctors take a man-cation fly fishing in the great outdoors and also check in on a woman who went headfirst into a chain link fence in a horrific motorcycle accident. Plus, a woman recovering from a "mommy…

Dr. Nassif wrangles a cougar's cobra neck, while Dr. Dubrow helps a desperate patient downsize her triple Ds. Later, he puts Dr. Nassif under the knife.

Tiffany "New York" Pollard is back to beat breast implant illness (BII) and go au naturel; another former patient with over-injected lips returns hoping to restore them to normal; a cosplayer needs the Wizard of Boobs to save the day.

A U.K. patient with a duck butt and bulging belly forces Dr. Dubrow to perform a two-stage revision to restore her 24-year-old body; Dr. Nassif helps complete a K-Pop transformation; a mom of three prays her nose problems are not…

A British bum ambassador is packing on the pounds to get a Kim K-inspired butt; Dr. Dubrow helps a mother of nine battle one of the worst cases of capsular contracture he's seen; Dr. Nassif helps a Lebanese pop star fix his nose.

Dr. Dubrow lifts a woman's spirit and her sagging breasts; Dr. Nassif does a rhinoplasty on a woman who has a beef with her pig nose; a viral sensation is desperate for help with her big booty problems.

Dr. Dubrow helps a patient who is flippin' out over her flippin' butt implants; Dr. Nassif tries to save a patient with a wrecked pelican neck; a wannabe trophy wife seeks a bigger booty to find the man of her dreams.

A woman with four implants in her chest seeks Dr. Dubrow's help to remove them; Dr. Nassif helps an Italian woman get rid of her cannoli nose.

A mom who claims Santa broke her nose seeks Dr. Nassif's help; a woman with cobwebbed areolas is haunted by the ghosts of surgeries past; after almost dying from plastic surgery a Brazilian bombshell has one last Christmas wish to get her…

A facial skin graft growing pubic hair challenges Dr. Nassif; Dr. Dubrow boogies with a boob dancing patient who's back for surgery.

Dr. Nassif kicks the butt off a patient's nose; Dr. Dubrow helps a single mother whose breast implant fell out while brushing her teeth.

The boss of Northern Kentucky wants to downsize her million dollar breasts; Dr. Nassif helps a woman with a hot hubby fix her nose.

Dr. Nassif has a ruff case ahead of him when a dog bite victim needs some TLC; Dr. Dubrow has his hands full with an OG reality star's real world uni-boob situation, while a Charm School dropout needs help.

Two big-bosomed buddies pay a visit to the doctors; a patient desperately needs help fixing her elephant trunk-looking breast; a patient has issues that run deeper than his asymmetrical chin.

A three-boobed woman the perfect pair; working to correct a car accident victim's mangled nose; a 27-year-old LA socialite with jacked up jowls wants a facelift.

While Dr. Nassif steps into the surgical ring to help a boxer's crushed nose, Dr. Dubrow needs his A game to bring a young woman's dead breasts back to life. And Norway's biggest breasts loves to make her boobs dance.

A Black Hawk crew chief with one breast needs Dr. Dubrows help, while Dr. Nassif attempts to bring back the smile of a DUI accident victim; meanwhile, the doctors get served looks from a filler-obsessed nose patient.

A Cartel Crew bombshell who can't keep fat in her booty seeks advice from Dr Dubrow, while another patient hopes for a breast revision redemption.

A breast-obsessed Brazilian wants her 33rd breast surgery, while a Dutch performer wants her butt to be camera ready; a young man who has a cauliflower-looking keloid on his ear hopes Dr. Nassif has a solution to remove it permanently.

A Scarlett Johannson look-alike wants the doctors to give her a flawless, twerk-able booty, while Dr. Dubrow helps a mom with creaseless breasts get the reduction she’s tried to achieve for 20 years. Meanwhile, a woman whose face is…

A filler-obsessed Australian wants Dr. Dubrow to increase her breast size, and a surgery in the Dominican Republic lands a patient in the ER and with only one breast; Dr. Nassif tries to bring a nose back to life after a horrible necrosis…

A patient with large areolas wants to reduce them. Dr. Nassif rebuilds a patient's nose after its tip turns black.

A Southern belle who wants to look like Dolly Parton hopes to change the shape of her torpedo-like breasts.

An evil witch wants sexy cat eyes and gives the doctors a taste of her dominatrix ways; a surgery in Tijuana leaves a woman with stomach scars and nipples near her collarbone.

A countdown of the top 12 most obsessed patients; Dr. Nassif and Dr. Dubrow look back at patients obsessed with everything being bigger.

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Two brides come to see the doctors. One seeks answers for the extra set of leaking breasts in her armpits, while the other has a razor thin nose.

A tragic accident left a man with a sharkbite-sized hole on his hip, and a woman diagnosed with Lupus would love to have no more nose issues.

A man with superhero arms made of silicone got dumped because of his plastic surgery obsession, while an avid hiker hopes to fix her mountainous nose and her dating life, and a divorcee seeks a revision abdominoplasty after her tummy tuck…

A female firefighter with 15 failed breast surgeries turns to Dr. Dubrow for help. Dr. Nassif helps a man who believes his nose was deformed in utero by his mother’s IUD.

The doctors perform two radical surgeries, one on a woman with basketball-sized butt implants and the other on a patient with a smashed nose who’s been turned down by over 20 doctors.

A tattooed man wants his nipples and belly button removed, and two patients who didn’t research their surgeons suffer severe consequences.

Problem implants, a crooked nose and an anime addict... The doctors see three patients who hid their plastic surgery from their loved ones.

A former pro-surfer hopes to solve a mystery, a perfectionist demands an ideal nose and a bodybuilder strives to complete her “muscular plastic” look.

A high-risk cancer patient was left with a mastectomy mess and fears her original surgeon didn’t remove all her breast tissue, while a childhood accident left a young woman’s chin full of scarred indentations and a “snow bunny” influencer…

A woman suffering from pain and numbness duct tapes her calf implants daily to smooth the deformity, while a young lady has a “beast” of a birthmark that's a pain in her neck, and a young man starting his body-mod journey has a bicep…

A cancer survivor lost her upper lip and her identity after a small procedure became a big disaster, and a college scholar hopes to remove a gruesome graft from her foot that looks like a ball sack, while a sexy vamptress with a wayward…

A woman's nose is Jamaican her crazy, and she hopes Dr. Nassif can give her the Tiffany Pollard profile she's always wanted; a singer obsessed with the 2000s and Britney Spears seeks bigger boobs; Dr. Dubrow helps a young mum fix her knee.

A nudist who swings on and off the golf course seeks the doctors' advice for her overly liposuctioned stomach; a mother left with dilapidated boobs faces her fears of anesthesia; an African woman hopes to achieve her American Dream.

A rock-n-roller with a droopy eye wants to get back on stage, while a 21-year-old ravaged by a predatory doctor looks for a second chance at a mommy makeover, and a transgender woman inspires a doctor dance party and sings about her…

The Human Doll, aka Justin Jedlica, drops by to update the doctors on his 8 new leg implants, while a woman who always aspired to be a telenovela actress needs a miracle after destroying her nose because of vanity, and a mother who lost…

A doctor who was duped into getting silicone injections in her face suffers staggering complications; a woman who almost died from her tummy tuck seeks to erase the scars from her past; a former patient surprises the doctors with her…

A social experiment that follows a couple on the brink of divorce. With the guidance of Dr. Terry and Heather Dubrow and other experts, they separate for 7 weeks and undergo a physical and mental makeover before assessing if they will…

A widow who almost died three times while healing from her tummy tuck seeks Dr. Dubrow's expertise in getting rid of what she calls Vagina Island; a woman bullied because of her "pig nose" hopes Dr. Nassif can make her a tip.

A single mother is desperate for Dr. Nassif's help after a dog bite took the tip of her nose and turned her into a recluse. A woman with a butt foot hopes Dr. Dubrow can help fix a 40-year-old wound. The King of BBL's aims for a…

A woman who sought a more voluptuous booty is left with scars and a missing butt cheek, challenging Dr. Dubrow to perform a surgery he doesn't usually condone; Dr. Nassif tackles a nose that moves like a windshield wiper.

A woman who was born with her intestines on the outside of her body now has a stomach full of scars; a celebrity impersonator who's spent more than $1 million in plastic surgery hopes to remove baby oil from inside her breasts.

Dr. Dubrow helps a wife who feels betrayed after a disastrous mommy makeover in Mexico where her husband secretly told the surgeon to give her implants. Dr. Nassif attempts to repair horrible scarring on a woman's neck.

The self-proclaimed "Lips of Los Angeles" wants to be pumped, plumped and frozen; a woman needs Dr. Nassif to fix her nose after it was eaten away by an autoimmune disease; a young woman wants Dr. Dubrow to enhance her brick-shaped breasts.

A woman whose nose collapses after years of cocaine abuse seeks Dr. Nassif's help; a man hopes Dr. Dubrow will fix his soup bowl-looking chest; an influencer is eager to become her online personae and get the biggest boobs in the world.

A woman tired of hiding her recurring keloid needs Dr. Nassif to rid her ear of the enormous growth. A superfan wants to emulate a famous celebrity's trademark figure but can't seem to get his booty big enough. A victim of domestic abuse.

A woman is left with a front butt on her stomach after a mommy-makeover. A familiar face from Botched By Nature returns with a collapsed nose. An influencer who believes her body is a surgically sculpted work of art hates the scars on her…

Left feeling like something out of a horror movie, a woman has a huge hole in her nose from cancer and facial reconstruction and hides it with a prosthetic; Dr. Nassif must undergo skin cancer treatments of his own.

A 21-year-old risks losing her left eye due to 42 botched surgery attempts to repair her face following a car accident; a woman who got a breast augmentation after massive weight loss is left with mismatched breasts and an areola in her…

A woman wants to continue her plastic surgery journey to look like a Calabasas MILF despite having a serious heart condition; a college student hopes to fix her bulbous nose; a woman seeks help with her hollow booty and shark bite-looking…

A woman from Hawaii with gnarly stomach scars needs Dr. Dubrow's help to finally love her reflection in the mirror; a social media star wants larger breasts to match her even larger booty; a hairdresser obsesses over her…

After a disastrous top surgery, a patient hopes the doctors can finally help him get the masculine chest he's always wanted; a mother and a daughter from across the pond want the doctors to inflate their bums.

A woman born with multiple rare diseases is left with an incomplete surgically constructed ear that she can't hear out of; a single mother's tummy tuck goes wrong; a patient wants doctors to make her large breasts look more fake.

A young social media influencer seeks B12 injections at a med spa and is left with hundreds of scars all over her body; a woman born with a cleft lip and palette ends up with an indented nose; Baby Ken is ready to say goodbye to his bicep…

A content creator wants the doctors to double her breast size; a young nurse hopes Dr. Dubrow can improve her zippered arm scars after a skin removal surgery goes wrong; a Beverly Hills makeup artist wants Dr. Nassif to fix his caved-in…

A woman from Liberia has a tragic accident as a baby that destroys her lips; a divorced woman with ciabatta-shaped breasts is afraid to date; a pole dancer who identifies as a doll wants the doctor's help with her butt implant.

A man has a nose that grows an inch a year; an intensive care unit nurse needs her doughnut boob fixed so she can return to saving lives; twin sisters want small matching twin noses, even if it means they both won't be able to breathe.

Dr. Nassif is challenged by a woman from Mexico with a massive tumor on the side of her face; Dr. Dubrow helps a man with a snakelike keloid scar on his chest; the doctors agree to a friendly game of pickleball with some not-so-friendly…